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My signs are removed by most subreddits. Anyone know if where my style of protesting would be welcomed?
Originally Posted By u/East-Beyond3494 At 2025-05-08 10:17:53 AM | Source
count me on the mock, ridicule, shame, insult side of the debate
edit: almost forgot: fuck trump, and fuck everyone who voted for him
In France the right repeats "Leftism is a mental disorder" like a mantra. I tried the high road, it doesn't work. Fuck them.
It's easier to fool someone than try to convince them they've been fooled.
sure this might piss off some trump supporters
but it also argues from their position, that homosexuality is weak and effeminate. that its shameful. effective messaging starts from your own premise, not your enemies.
This isn't what 50501 should include in its movement.
Where has the high road gotten us?
Soap is the first box, and based on the failure of the second and third, soap has necessarily failed.
For anyone not familiar with the metaphor, it's
There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and cartridge (or ammo). Please use in that order.
In other words, first try talking. Then voting. Then the legal system. And if all of that fails, force (guns).
We can surely insult Trumpers without "bitches" and gargling balls. My feelings aren't hurt but like, this is asinine on a sign. Too low brow for my ivory tower sensibilities I guess
words have power, but only the power we, as in everyone, give them. going up to fascist narcissist nazis and saying "here's a list of words you're not allowed to say ever never never" doesn't mean they're going to understand or abide by or even have a shadow of an ounce of respect for those "rules," all you're doing is saying "here--take this list of weapons to use against us and hurt us" and with zero consequences to boot
excuse me, but fuck that. there are so many things we could be talking about rather than whether WE should use the word "bitches" or not, since it clearly didn't work with nazis
as it has been pointed out in several other comments in the thread: we are, right now, exactly where the high road led us. and the end point of this road is NOT a good place. we need to change direction NOW
I agree with you, words have power, but only the power we give them.
By adopting this growing strategy of using gay coded innuendo as a weapon - we are telling the maga crowd that we respect it as a weapon, we are validating that we think it has power.
What you mistake for "oh the soft weak left has a no-no list that holds us back" was us not reacting and thus not giving power to using gay innuendo as a weapon, so that lgbt peoples existence isn't thought of as a weapon.
We were quite close too - I Haven't heard much anti gay rhetoric used as insults by the right, no where neat as much as 10 20 30 years ago. The right had realized that that stuff had lost effectiveness and thus switched to different insults.
But here with these stupid memes and signs that I see more and more often are re-weaponizing anti-gay discourse and I hate it and it definitely will lead to a lower quality of life for lgbt people, it will definitely keep more lgbt people in the closet, and all the knock on effects of that including suicide.
Words have power, and we give them power by using them. Think about what you are giving power to.
remember when no one said "fuck" out of fear they might give some frail old lady a heart attack? or when it was verboten to say "pregnant" on television? or when "gay" really was a slur? now it's literally one of the letters in LGBTQ. same as "queer"
it's not using the words that give them power. it's allowing yourself to become injured by them that turns them into weapons. bitches
At the end of the day, we are arguing your right to say "bitch" here. We aren't defeating fascism by saying "bitch." Not remotely. "Bitch" is insulting because not only is it a dog, but a female dog. It's completely loaded with misogyny, and attempting to "reclaim" the language doesn't work here. Fuck is a completely different scenario. The gay/ball gurgle problem has already been excellently pointed out above. It also applies to women.
I'm not worried gramma is going to have a heart attack. I'm worried that we are instinctively using language that inherently insults and denigrates minorities. How we use language shapes how we think, and vice versa. There are plenty of other insults we can hurl
lol i already have the "right" to say bitch, same as everyone else, and same with any word in any language. i'm sorry you have such a long list of words that hurt you
I don't get your combative, angry attitude. Just having a discussion. Clearly I mean "right" as in right to say something without critique or consequence, not as though I am the final arbiter of language. I support the intent behind the sign and his right to put whatever he wants on it. I think the wording is poor and could be more effective.
If you’re not going to help then for the sake of the future of humanity get the fuck out of the way
Shaming people doesn't make allies, or change anybodies mind. This is not a good way to protest. You want to convince people they were wrong, this ain't it. If you want people to dig their heels in even further, this'll do it fast.
Like anyone changes their mind over a protest sign, grow up.
You're there to be a body in the crowd, idgaf what your sign says if it's not fascist
It's simple psychology. But thanks for infantilism.
Edit: Clearly pushing some buttons here. You can stop replying, I don't care.
iT's sImPlE PsYcHoLoGy - there's your "infantilism". Maybe go back to the thesaurus on that while you're at it.
God I'm sick of whiny ass liberals telling people how to protest
Same. It’s just tiresome that libs are still like “NOOO WE HAVE TO BE NICE TO FASCISTS”
We already tried that shit bud, they just called you pussies and doubled down. You’re not going to change the mind of someone who doesn’t respect you.
For real. Their bullshit got us here, period. They rolled over and over again for the GOP every fuckin session since 9/11. We warned the liberals over and over again, "hey buddy nice police state you got there, whatcha gonna do about it?" Listen to black people? FUCK no, the Democrats just kept their heads up their asses cause that's where the checks arrive.
We learned all these fuckin lessons with the liberals in Germany and Spain and look what fuckin happened.
Ugh I'm so mad all the goddamn time these days. My rants are improving though.
All the things leftists said would happen are happening and liberals are still finding ways to blame the leftists. It’s infuriating, makes me want to punch a motherfucker. Lots of nazis around these days but if I punch them liberals will get mad at me. I don’t understand it.
Yeah, I generally mentally file the centrists telling everyone to be nice to Nazis under the "Bad Actor" file where I'm 50/50 they're not just trolls.
They’re just dumb. I did the same shit when I was 20 and hadn’t read any books and thought spending time on the internet arguing made me smart.
Fuckin EXACTLY, this misguided moralizing from the folks (very weakly) on the left, MAN I'm over it. I swear they'll say this same dumbass, milquetoast, appeasement-ass fuckin garbage no matter how bad things get.
Un-fuckin-real. Then they go pat themselves on the back for their enlightened, reasonable takes - so much more wise than the ignorant fools choosing anger.
🤡
MLK Jr. was right. Insincere, weakass support is the bigger problem, enemies can at least be fought properly. Fuck these uncommitted "progressives". Cowards.
Sorry. Often angry too these days.
Edit to add: just so I don't come across as "all gas no brakes" I have close relationships with two Trump voters. I understand nuance, and I work on them as I can, and I'm making real progress. We DO need to bring MAGAs back to reality if we can, and probably don't have a hope without it.
But fuck this moralizing, telling others what to do, and especially fuck complaining about a particularly mean sign!
Preach, friend. I'm right there with you.
I think about Letter From a Birmingham Jail a lot.
Anytime someone says "simple psychology", you know they're full of shit haha
There's no such thing as simple psychology. You're talking about the fucking human mind here mate. We don't even understand a fraction of a fraction of a percent of how it really works.
People are so nuanced and complex with so many variables at play, it's never about one thing or two things, or a hundred things. It's about the condition of being human. You can't just boil things down to "simple psychology" and then walk away like you proved something or said something insightful.
Humans are complex, yes even MAGAts. You are not at a protest because you are expecting to convince people your ideology is better than theirs with clever signs. You're there to show support for an event or action item that has no other way to show support. You're there to meet other protestors and create a community of like minded individuals who can help and support each other.
Protests are a sign that the system is failing/has failed.
All the things you think should happen should have happened further up the pipeline before the protest. But it didn't fucking work did it? They're still fucking dipshits gargling trump's balls no matter what he does to them.
So people are out in the streets and pissed off. They've got nowhere else to vent or voice their frustrations of what they see as a failed system/society. They are not there to convert, they're there to announce loudly that they disagree with what's being done right now. That's it.
It's simple psychology ;)
More complex psychology suggests that certain ways of thinking can't easily be changed particularly the type of person that backs Trump.
Anyone whose mind hasn't already been changed isn't going to listen to reason. Being more aggressive will inspire some people to be more active than they already are. I don't see the downside here.
And maybe the point isn't to make allies, but to make people who should experience shame actually experience it.
I agree completely. The MAGA fascists should be ashamed and we should normalize shaming bigotry, hate and fascism. So much right wing rhetoric has misused the concept of free speech. What asshole fascists really mean by free speech is the ability to present hate speech without any of the social consequences. I feel like signs like this are the least we could do to stamp out bigotry and hate speech overall.
Seriously, I am so tired of the "Don't say mean things about fascists, you might offend them" bullshit. Be fucking offensive. If they don't want to be offended, they can stop being fucking fascists.
Can't he insult fascists without women and ball garglers catching strays tho?
I'm not seeing where women are singled out here, but I'm with you on the ball-garglers.
"bitches"
You want to make allies out of fascists? I sure don't. Fuck em all to death.